- Now for the trade itself. Rusty played another decade. Raymond Malcuit Jr. The point is he made a bad team worse. October 19, 2011 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Ramblin' Pete He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. May 8, 2003 Bobster1985 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. I've talked to Mr Lolich in Rochester then in Lk Orion several years ago when he owned his doughut shops. December 20, 2019 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. bob saunders Man, those pitches were big ones. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. July 15, 2016 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. April 27, 2013 - Now for the trade itself. February 28, 2003 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! October 13, 2008 Raymond Malcuit Jr. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the September 29, 2007 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. bogeyman As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. They ran alcohol from Canada thru Detroit during the Prohibition era. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Joe Figliola The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. September 12, 2002 Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. October 2, 2005 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. August 11, 2015 You've got to pay attention to all the details every day. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. November 3, 2006 Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. April 6, 2012 Raymond Malcuit Jr. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Mr. Sparkle January 12, 2011 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. John Bruce (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Rusty could hit with the lights out. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. October 18, 2008 November 10, 2002 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. September 29, 2007 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. The point is he made a bad team worse. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. April 30, 2009 He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. After one year in New York Lolich retired. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Randy Tate November 12, 2006 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. July 15, 2016 support. October 19, 2011 #226 AL Strikeout Leaders - Mickey Lolich / Sam McDowell / Denny McLain / Sonny Siebert. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. The point is he made a bad team worse. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Laura15yearoldmodel December 24, 2001 He refused to answer roll call at team meetings ("The coach could see I was right there"). Thanks for the memories, Mick! Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Bartolo Colon etc). April 23, 2003 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Jim Snedeker Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Wood again went the distance, allowing just 2 runs. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Joyce kept the one from his first major league victory and ''then it became a little deal with us.'' So why did you try to destroy the guy? He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Dianna Jeanneh Jones OK it was a terrible trade. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. September 25, 2013 He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. 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