Well, its fairly easy, but you have to becarefulthe sand is mixed with a binder. Will screening be all over patio? Based on the photos, it seems they didnt remove all the mortar, more a partial job? If you just have sand in.and no road base gravelthen absolutely, take up the flagstone and do it all over. Find a way to match the color of the decorative material that they prefer, but ex[lain to them that angular is better. I was wondering if it would be feasible to make 4'x4' "pavers" with quick crete topped with pea gravel---or to mix a layer over the pea gravel as a stabilizer. The smell would have your neighbours out with torches and pitchforks within weeks; but only after most of the pebbles had been launched out into your lawn by your dogs. But the mortar beneath the stones will likely crack, making wobbly stones sitting on cracked hard cement. Also, do you have any mortar that you prefer over another? We got heavy rain and its very wet and now some of the stones move and are sloshing around in the stone dust there are no pools of water but its really soft and the lots of the stones move and almost slosh down when stepped on. The PO had installed pea gravel in the planting beds; in some areas it was more than 4 inches deep--I hated it. I like your views and outlook so poly is out and screenings are in.not very keen on chemicals where the barefoot grandson walks! Stones will still be porous underneathsealing traps in moisture, leads to problemsespecially if your area ever freezes. The gravel helps toughen up the dog's pads without damaging them. Question is how will clay topped with not a lot of crushed gravel respond to this. This was done to lower costs, and because the pond area wouldnt receive heavy foot traffic (so we werent worrying about people kicking the stone dust out with their shoes) and also because we wanted a looser look, around the pond. Like a branching sort of design or meandering stream-like pattern. The 2nd link has what theyre calling decomposed granite, but given my calling around locally, I question if thats the same stuff as what you specify. The mix is not a slurry and is very hard to tell from damp gravel. For more information, please see our Get some cement , not sand mix or concrete . Thank you for your thoughts and guidance! The smallest grade of gravel generally available, consisting of small 1/8 or less chips of stone and fine stone dust, like powder. The result might be messy, but would probably be a good base for something else (brick or stone?). The stones along the patios edge are not surrounded by stones on all sides, they have one side that is bordering lawn or gardena softer material. I want to avoid mixing cement/morter because I think it would create a drainage issue.Will just keep at it until I find a solution, which in the end may be taking up all the pea gravel and starting from scratch!Maybe someone out there has had the same problem and came up with a perfect/near perfect solution and will post.Murphy. Perhaps they can offer some ideas. I already clear out a 15 X 15 for my back patio. Try https://www.envirobond.com/professional/envirosand/ Organic binding material. I cant find anyone who sells decomposed granite. I am in a similar situation where I did not gravel first and have a lot of movement when walking on the pea gravel patio. Hi Devin. Florida is one of the most unique states in the country because of the weather, sights, and bodies of water. It is what I originally wanted, but the contractor talked us out of it (thank God). Sand? No more cats, WOOHOO! Lets examine these advantages one at a time: Related content: One on one help is available. Scrub the top of the flagstones using diluted muriatic acid, with a shop book. I wonder if mixing the top layer of pebbles with stone dust might not stabilize your pea gravel somewhat, kind of like crusher run?. Sorry, I was out of town and away from my computer when you posted this question. Im doing a small extension of a patio leading to a path about 200x18. Once the gravel is completely loose and all objects removed, it should be tamped down using either a hand tamper . Do you use cold chisels or is a hammer enough? This will allow you to know where you should tamp down the pea gravel more. Can I buy just the acrylic binder that I can use to make a polysand to pack areas most prone to erosion, like the fronts of the stair sections or areas that get hit most with rain wash? My paver patio, installed by a previous owner, had no base at all. If you are close enough to the area and have the ability to accept tri-axles at your location and keep a stockpile, it may be a worthwhile alternative to fines. Fine, it probably wont make it very slippery and probably wont alter its appearance all THAT much. Void forms beneath flagstone.joint settles in and fills that voidthen you top off joint. I dont know what type of drain they installed.or what they did wrong. Yes, it stops the joint material, sand/stone dust in place, but it hardens up, then cracks up, then you got these broken up pieces of mortar. Lay the 2x down on top of the trench and hammer down to tamp. I keep telling people, if you put your flagstone on sand, then what youre doing is inviting ants unto your patio! I was looking for an explanation of red dust. But it should work well enough, yes. For example, something like this: https://www.glengery.com/mortar or maybe something from Sika? I researched the heck out of polymeric sand, and tested out three different kinds. The walkway to my front door is about 50 feet long but rises about 6-7 feet over about nine 7 inch high steps. Just curious OP how did adding the sand work out? The joints are being filled with stone dust or screening as you call it. Good luck! Polymers for Sand, Gravel, Aggregate and Concrete Processing - thickeners, sand processing, dredging, dewatering, clarification , dry processes. Add the proper amount of cement and water and mix well by some mechanical means, smooth to grade and pack it. Theres a lot of different ways to go about getting a flagstone stable. Three potential problems remain however a) the flagstones are on sand. I was hoping to find some neat product that we could add to the breeze or mix with it that would make it stable. Anyway, theres many diy articles on this website, which many people have found helpful over the years. I hope not. So the stones just didnt get seated properly. And reallymaybe make the drainage saw-cut, then fill in a couple inches with road base type gravel. Personally, Id try it if I had some d-limonene lying around. Grey stone dust screenings will cost about 40-50 per cubic yard. I have been extremely happy with it -- it looks great and has stayed neat, clean, and stable for two years now. That number will improve, over the months, as stones settle in. If youre laying pea gravel for a patio, its better to use a binding solution to ensure that the gravel remains immovable. In warmer places, a 3 to 4 inch gravel base is more common. Thats the basic formula. Every once in awhile, you may have to pull out a weed. And as it is not outside, we are not getting natural rain/drizzle/snow which might more effectively harden up the joint areas. Voles, moles, or mice were causing the damage. If you do not have any orange based cleaner, then try using a bit of vinegar along with the wire-brush. Once it dries and hardens, the sand stays in place. Are you stuck having someone put more in? Stick to plain stone dust is my advice, and keep the joints tight! Heres an article about removing and replacing the stone dust in-between your flagstone. Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine. Filled with stone dust and in order to keep the gaps looking regular we only had to re-cut a few of them to correct the factories imperfect cutting. Bear with me here I dont know a lot about it but have you ever thought about using glass marbles, crushed glass, fish tank gravel in a more vibrant color something that would be a little more creative? We do have what is called shaker sand which is a combination of sharp sand with some pea gravel mixed in (pea gravel that was smaller than normal and was screened out from the normal pea gravel. What is the ideal size joint? I rarely sub, but your outfit looks alright. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. 46 tons spread out over 4,000 square feet3/4 material, fairly rounded. Which is ideal for large joints? We enclosed the space under our south facing deck as a sun room, hoping to grow some flowers and/or veggies year round and also have a warm sunny place to hang out for three seasons. Anyway, after its gone just sweep in screeinings and be happy. We have had successful installations at James Madison's Montpelier, the Arkansas Governors Mansion, Colonial Williamsburg and most recently at Thomas Jefferson's Monticello. Extremely helpful. Loved your descriptions of patio aesthetics and materials. If you want you can promote moss in the shady areaput some moss in the blender with old beer/buttermilk (perhaps this is what you mean by the yogurt method?) Only time cement is used in the joint material is if the patio has a proper concrete foundation. Read the Instructions. what do you think? A metal edging or pt lumber border will look better than a plastic border.stone can be used. in the cracks thinking the soil and plants will help hold the stones in place. Truthfully our joints are a bit wider than you suggest. Stone dust, for life. But yeah, Id try and d-limonene it, maybe try a careful pass with a pressure washer. But after reading your postings I am not sure what to do. I prefer smaller joints. This will allow you to enjoy your stabilized pea gravel for years to come. To keep pea gravel from rolling and shifting, tamp it down with a heavy lawn roller or hand tamper after you install it. Here, joints were intentionally left 4 to 8 wideand the space between them was filled with sod. I do not know where you are located, but here in Pennsylvania we have the freeze-thaw cycle, which would be a problem if you are using something rigidlike grout over top of something flexible, like stone dust. Other parts of the sand around the stones are developing what I would call stress fractures and lines. Back and forthsweep in, hose down, leaf blower, I recommend that you check out this article as well: patio maintenance. But the weeds are a pain to keep up with. But I get ityoure suggestion youd just seal the mortar itself. 2. Finally, Ill bring back the stones and level them (with screenings?) No acrylic, plastic, or polymers are required in your project. I have thought of using the polymeric sand to keep out both as much as possible. So good job. Read the rest of my how-to articles, if you have any other questions! Keep the joint material just shy of the tops of your stones, an eighth inch or quarter inch lowdo this, and your problem will be solved. This is coming from a guy who originally jumped on the poly sands some fifteen years ago. You never joint with mortar in a dry laid scenario. My dry laid process is described here. Also, Id wait at least 2 weeks before powerwashing over new jointsand at least that long, more like a month, before using acid. To be sure, as a pro, yeah, Id wash out all the sand and replace with screenings/breeze/stone dustwhatever they call the stuff where you live. We were afraid a bigger pest i.e. Pea gravel is round and tends to roll, so laying down a base layer of a more coarse, angular rock can help stabilize the pea gravel. Devin, Im looking to refill gaps in a flagstone patio that are pretty larger ranging form 1/2 to 2 inches. I have tried poly sand (with the correct amts of watering)but find that the sand forms a crust, other areas may be soft and mushy, and if I dig down it is not solid. $6,467.31. Then the additional couple of truckloads of gravel, actual 3/4 minus, will bring the driveway up to 4 or 5 inches thick. Theres other ways to deal with weeds, but this article is getting long. We surrounded the design with the rest of the flagstones in a circle (resulting in a centre medallion type of look) and then they are laid randomly to the outer edge of the patio in a normal fashion. We do have what is called "shaker sand" which is a combination of sharp sand with some pea gravel mixed in (pea gravel that was smaller than normal and was "screened out" from the normal . It is easy to apply, environmentally friendly and allows water to percolate. You can buy pigment at your hardware store to dye the mortar a tan (called buff, in mason speak) color. and our Not too wetjust wet enough to be sticky. No worries. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Should I just wait until it dries out? test area because it may stain the flagstones too. When gravel shifts, it can expose the weed cloth underneath, letting weeds overtake the edges of your gravel walkway or driveway. Mix up type S mortar mixpre-mixed stuff is fine. Just wondering what we should do about the paver sand underneath. Half inch, quarter inch, eighth an inchany of those would workso long as they have fines3/8 is what I usually use, but I work around the country, and sizes/names vary slightly yet every place Ive been wcarries something like this. Great information and helpful blog! I live in Texas with the soil is mixed clay and moves a lot. Heres the quick story: Ive reclaimed enough of the small pieces from borders created by the previous owner. I was thinking about trying a 4' wide path going back to the horse barn. First off, thank you for all your posts. Any saw cuts i then rough up, using the same hammer technique as in the video, in order to keep it natural loooking. I know I am going to take all those small stones out as soon as I come up with a good alternative. Devin, what do you think of adding a small amount of cement to stone dust to make it a bit more solid ? Now I am stuck with what is the best material to fill the cracks. Do you have any photos of the little piles? Gaps are approxly one inch. Take a sprinkler and wet it down , it will tighten it up , still be looser stones on top. I dissuade all of my clients from using polymeric sand. Fill joints with screening. My customer wanted no transition between the pool and the patio..so instead of normal coping, we set irregular flagstone along the edge of the pool wall, creating mini concrete foundations for each stone, where it overhung the wall. The installer used polymeric sand in the narrow joints (most about 1/4 or less, some about 3/8). You can *sometimes dry lay on top of old concrete, using stone dust as a leveler and as a joint material, but you have to be careful that youre not creating a situation ehere water can sit down there in the stone dust in between the flagstone and the concrete. Bad news, that stuff. Pea gravel walkways are relatively low maintenance. Just make sure to do the project at a time inwhich the weather is not expected to get below freezing for a good 48 hours or longer. Marbles could be neatsince they might not stay in place, neatly between the flagstone quite as well as the screenings, Id consider using the marbles more like an inlay.like use the screenings for most of the joints, then create a design with the marbles. I would look under the sink and see if you have any orange based cleaning products. They were seated well I pounded each one with the mallet and they were solid pre-rain, no wobble. Sorry, never used it! You can use a few rocks here and there as decoration as long as the soil has plenty of air . Then, if filled with stone dust or d/g (interchangeable, I dont know of any reason why DG might work better) the cut that you made will allow water to drain. Comment *document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "ab7c4abf609fa1ed15dbe4a1e48f5b44" );document.getElementById("b69840f237").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Devine Escapes is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. If not, then Id grab my oxygen/acetylene torch. They are basically pebbles that have both aesthetic and functional uses. Easy to install. Polymers: Thickeners. Thanks again! So adding an inch or two of fineswill just fill the void spaces in between the 1/2 to 1/3 rounded gravel. Devin, Before my enlightenment my aha! I understand that stabilized granite actually predates polymeric sand and that there is such thing as stabilized decomposed granite made with *psyllium husks, but that the term stabilized decomposed granite can refer to DG stabilized with various binders. I found your article very interesting i was already going to use screenings but was still researching and i came accross this. Do you have any thought on how to make the surface more solid so particles do not get blown or washed out? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. IDK what the limestone flour only material is you speak of, but you should be able to find proper screenings/grit/decomposed granite/8th inch minus/crusher run/etc in your area, under one name or another. Will this work to fill the cracks of should I attempt to find a finer material? Any suggestions on how to keep it from washing downhill? Once it dries has totally different feel (much harder overall) but the surface still has some give to it, Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists. Go to a place that sells gravel, sand and mulch and talk to them. Mind you, 2 is kind of thick for a stone dust bed and if youre joints are on the large side.and if you got an absurd amount of rain.but it still sounds funny to me. Its just too big. Find someone who specializes in dry laid flagstone work. Wanted to check with you the cheapest way to do it under 2K if possible? Fact is, if natracil wanted some publicity.theyd send me a free sample. To lay your flagstone patio 1) set out yours tones like a puzzle, as you said. When selecting your base rock, make sure to pick rough gravel that is large enough to allow the pointy edges to interlock and heavy enough not to be washed away in a storm. The decomposed granite in the second link also looks right, but it will probably cost more. 4. Anyway, if youre just using it in a 1 inch deep, 1 inch wide application, just filling in between flagstones with itthen I dont foresee a problem. No freeze-thaw issues. Huge draw-back is that instead of looking like gravelit ends up looking like porous black-top. Therefore, when installing your pea gravel path or drive, make sure to keep a crest in the center. Great, youre welcome and I hope my advice is helpful. Hose down. There are some joints approaching 1 inch. Thank you for bringing that updecomposed granite is yet another name for stone dust. Stevation, I like the look of your path. Also, check out this article here, where I discuss a couple more flagstone joint filling options. Fact is that you simply can not use polymeric sand as a replacement for taking your time and doing the job right. Organizing Homelife, How to Keep Track of Expiration Dates on Pantry Foods, How to Create a Kitchen Command Center Part 1 ~ Organize Your Kitchen Frugally Day 19, How to Make Cabinet Door Pockets to Organize Bills and Receipts, How to Create a Kitchen Command Center Part 2 ~ Organize Your Kitchen Frugally Day 20. Best thing you can do to extend the life of your patio mortar joints, living in Colorado or any place with harsh wintersis to stay on top of the snow. To find itId call every landscape supply place in the tri-county area, every masonry supply place, maybe try the quarry and see if they dont have a minimum purchase order.Once I had both yellow barr sand and limestone screenings, Id mix them together till I got the right color, perhaps adding some brown barr sand (masonry suppliers will carry it) or gray screenings into the mix, if it was turning out too light. Assuming that the foundation is gravel. Calcium chloride or other salt substitute should be fine, but salt will deteriorate mortar. We have a large sandstone flag patio, installed in 2011 by a company that used poly sand in the joints. Because the attractiveness of the pea-gravel surface is lessened by epoxy resin or polyurethane coatings, we found the best method was (1) above. You have the right idea about creating a good wholesome and fun place to be with family and friends. So first we plan to dig out and level the area, then lay down some coarse sand (tamp it) for drainage. Permeable pavers also provide stability while maintaining permeability. Add in DG which will work its ways down. Ochre stone is actually a byproduct of ochre mining, it's kind of like brown crusher run. It can be used in a pinch if your setting bed is very thin - like 1/4 to 1/2" inch and preferably with a tad bit of a binder sifted in to keep the particles from shifting. Theres some things I dont know here.how long ago were the mortar joints done? Science demands this of me. Old timbers get new life as a decorative element in a cottage renovation. I didnt provide enough info. Id wager that it would remove the poly sand hazeuse proper precautionsif it does work, you will have little bits of plastic flaking off and disintegrating, which will then need to be cleaned up again in turn. I did not want to mention this optionbecause I do not like it. Like Ive said many timesjust stay away from plastic landscape products! You simply sweep more screenings into the joint and life is good, with no great worries at all. And, if so, is there a way to do this so you dont see the border material for the finished project? In a northern climate, cement misused in a dry laid application will almost certainly fail. What would you do? Add at least 20 tons of fines. If no to bother questions, then the project should not be too hard. Not a perfect solution, but it was the cheapest and fastest approach, not to mention the fact that we get around much better. I wish I had read the forum BEFORE listening to the landscaper. Id prefer to avoid power tools and stick with as much a natural look as possible. I have put 2"x4" around the border of the exercise yard to keep the gravel from migrating out of the enclosure. Still, a leaf blower is your best tool for clearing pea gravel, since . We are a team of passionate homeowners, home improvement pros, and DIY enthusiasts who enjoy sharing home improvement, housekeeping, decorating, and more with other homeowners! Re-lay on stone dust/pathway fines/DG.they sell it in your area, but since I dont know your area I can not tell you the local name. You can also use cement. Im glad I read this and plan to steer well clear of polymeric sand. I do know it's pretty spendy. Its popularity increased steadily for a decade and now it is a very common landscape product. Sweep the dg into the flagstone joints, then carefully hose it downwashing small bits of dg down into any voids that may be hidden underneath the flagstone. Ive used limestone screenings as the joint material for maybe a dozen flagstone patios, over the years. As easy to install as regular sand, almost. Read on to determine which option is the best for your situation. I was wondering if you know the best way to do this and what would be good to use in wider joints. Reasons are described HERE. Id remove the polymeric sand and replace with decomposed granite, stone dust, 1/4 minus/whatever they call it in your area. Do we need to remove all the flagstones, then scrape everything and start back? Just approach the work with heart and youll be alright. It is helpful to see you are not a fan of the polymeric sand and the reasons why. AGAIN, major omission on my part. Wow if this stuff does work, I can start to use it on my jobs. Hose the joints down, on shower setting, sweep off the excess, if you want you can use blower to remove more excess stone dust. Beyond that, if you want to email me photos and receive personal guidance, Id be happy to help you. If so, dont use it. Hello Chris. Pea gravel is commonly used for walkways, driveways, and as filler between stone pavers around the home. Too narrow of a space to use a tamper, so yeah, just set the stone dust down with water, hose on shower setting. Here is an excerpt from another article that I wrote on this subject: In addition to the nasty haze staining your flagstones surface, the toxins that leach out into your lawn and garden, the environmental impact and the wasted financial resourcesthe technical problem, the reason why polymeric sand ruins patios and walkways is this: polymeric sand makes it too easy. pea gravel really has no place in the landscape. Devin, You are absolutely the best source of info concerning flagstone installation. Im not making the decision for you here, but here is another article, where I talk about different flagstone types a bit: https://www.devineescapes.com/what-type-of-flagstone-to-use-for-your-patio-or-stone-walkway/. Dear Devin, Great thread. Sounds like a winner, right? Now, my joints were set tight, maybe half inch widewider joints than that might be an issue. But then, it its still more rigid and solid than we want, for flagstone joints. But when you want your walkways to stay in place, the round and easily moveable shape of pea gravel could be a problem. If its dry laid, then everything should be dry laidno cement based products. Ive seen this both here in eastern Pennsylvania and out where you live. Having said all that, I still prefer to fit pattern flagstone more tightly, quarter inch to eighth an inchon a recent 400 square foot patio that we built we had eighth inch gaps.. Also do you use stone enhancer to intensify the color of the flag stone? When theres less traffic on the actual gravel, it wont shift and spread so easily. Finally, polymeric sand is an acrylic product. No problem. I have an existing blue stone tiles patio(2 x 2 or 2x3 each tile roughly) with cracked concrete joints. Personally, my preference is to merely lay larger stone along the edge of the patiohave all of your edge flagstones, large. 903 landscape supply is the place: https://www.903inc.com/. Ideally a pea gravel patio should have 3" base rock and 1" actual pea gravel. The mallet can only do minor adjustments, as far as leveling flagstones is concerned. It also allows for drainage, which can be beneficial in areas with heavy rainfall, as it prevents water from pooling on the surface. Dont use any real small stones. Would love to find a sub-contractor to just do the work but two months of trying hasnt produced anyone. After reading your article, Im confused.. Is polymeric dust the same thing as screening? I use, and recommend a stone dust joint, for dry laid flagstone applications. if yes, how do i make it firm permanently, such that i can have basketball tiles placed on that surface. What if we just remove some and place screenings on top of sand? What do you suggest or have you had these problems also? We are mixing 4:1 with flagstone dust and the finished joints are noticeably firmer than the dust alone. First, you will measure the area and check you have the correct amount of binding solution. I wouldnt use sand, as its more likely to settle or wash away. One of the benefits of a gravel driveway is that it is relatively inexpensive to install, typically around $1-$3 per square foot. Very stylistic and attractive stone fitting, very beautiful and interesting contoursI know its a bummer having to re-do some of your work, but this patio is going to be amazing, and real soon too. Digging and tamping and rakinghard work!). This site is a great service. Is it worth bothering with or will the gravel do the job itself? Related content: dry stone spheres by Devin Devine. Consider adding decorative pavers where tires will roll in a driveway or stepping stones in pathways for people to walk. So IDK, rip out that old drain, and install your new drain correctly. 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