An x-ray showed severe damage, and I was off work for 3 weeks on my back, then a return to work still suffering from pain in lower back and leg (sciatica). I can understand that. Fewer religious spirits to break through maybe? Why are not all of us down at our local shopping malls praying for people? No one ever questioned the authenticity of these healings. I pray that His peace and mercy be upon you and every person that reads your material. Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. My experience has shown me that a manifested miracle of God will always shake people who do not believe because it is not logical or normal and will cause brains who do not believe to go haywire for short period of time because logical dots will not connect with supernatural dots. I dont know. Who originated each miracle an who copied? Absolutely not! Amen. The MANIFESTATIONS of demons are NORMAL when people are praying for DELIVERANCE AND CASTING THEM OUT. Street preacher accused of smuggling arms from Mexico. a mans steps are ordered by the Lord, and He ponders all of his goingsthis is the word I received while watching this videoHe watches over His Word to Perform It! We continue on and learn until the day we exit to Eternity. Sndergaard's legal team told CBN News that while ICE has discretion to detain someone who has an asylum application pending, it is extremely irregular for ICE to detain someone with a pending asylum application without criminal charges being involved. This shows the administrative authority of the empowered Son of Man. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. This i believe: Jesus was emphasizing both the Water and His pending Holy Spirit in Jhn 3:5 Remembering that the enemy is subtle, counterfeiting the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Its time to do an article on this guy. And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. c) (Piel) to make afraid, terrify And this growing awareness of the many gifts and parts of the body has opened a window on seeing Christ in others, it is truly humbling. He explained that the Lord always required him to begin his ministry this way. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. 1.Repent(turn back) to the Father People who obsess about theological nuances like demonic possession and baptism tend to produce the same division they are complaining about. I received a comment from a Discerning the World reader who said: I have just found this page recently and I find it very interesting. I asked her if me and my apprentice could pray for her. (Bearing I mind I can only talk about it in accordance with my gift, others like scribes might be able to go into in greater depth and detail etc, but for me I have to keep it simple, and that is ok I think because different gifts have different benefits.). I dont want to put myself on par with Jesus and assume my obedience to the Father is perfect; it isnt. (kings of the east?) The Key is always Humility and most importantly Giving God all the Glory. by Jonathan Welton. Billy Graham and Billy Sunday started it all they would preach for an hour, sing, and do the invitation. A wooden staff that turns into a snake. Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Pray for Torben Sondergaard, he has been put into prison for no reason other than being accused for smuggling weapons at Mexico. Johnson does say something quite alarming in his book, When Heaven Invades Earth. He says, He (Jesus) performed miracles, wonders, and signs, as a man in right relationship to God.not as God (page 29). Let the cheap Jesus impersonations cease! I mean lets get serious now, how many of you reading this article thought to yourself, why do they get this gift and I dont? Read this article: http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/activator.html. He feels the solitude of the leper`s loneliness & I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. HE fills those who hunger and thirst after His righteousness. Dont get into a RUT and EXPECT the Holy Spirit to work in the same way He did the last time you noticed Him working. It also tells us to test the spirits that claim to act in the Lords name. If I were putting my life out in the public eye with videos on the Internet, then I would expect true believers to test what I was doing. I believe this goes along with the last revival article by Wilkerson. He senses the tragedy of a disabled body, whether through lameness, deafness, blindness or dumbness. The practices of Rick Joyners school and Bill Johnsons are very similar. Share on email. So when people tell me I try to obey the Lord , God showed me that really means no I do not obey Him always . Those that dont see what this man is doing, are not filled with the Holy Spirit. Your prayers in your native language are so weak Jesus Christ does not even hear them, thats why God prefers you to speak to Him in a prayer language instead. share the gospel. Luk 9:49 KJV And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. Officials found nothing wrong. `to go forward into the `true` thing.`. Its high time we all get over the past fakes and Counterfiets we all have been burned by one way it another. So John spoke of this again in 1Jo 5:8 If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. this is new age worship of another false Jesus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pvdl8HDmkA. Have you ever noticed that Noah and his family were saved THROUGH water and not by being immersed IN water. In too many of these healing/prophetic schools I am seeing far to much mixture. So TWO SEPERATE things happened here; 1) they were baptised by the Holy Spirit just by BELIEVING in Jesus Christ no signs and wonders 2) Paul then needed them to go out and preach and he laid hands on them to speak in tongues (earthly languages) and prophecy. It is very glorifying to God to see His manifold wisdom displayed in manifold ways through His many people. Why cant people see this? Spend longer, check things out better before calling people names. If we just go by what we think the Holy Spirit is saying we can over ride Him in our carnal thinking, or if we just rely on our thoughts of the Word we also get into trouble. of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. This goes for others also, not just Trenton, who have commented on Bill Johnson in this thread above, When you make comments about people who are actually your brothers and sisters in the Lord and say publically that they are not and condemn and run them down you are actually condemning and running down Jesus because He stands with them He is one spirit with them just as He is one spirit with you if you belong to Him, When you do this you fight against yourself, So if you cant say, The Holy Spirit told me regarding Bill Johnson in a negative way then I suggest that you dont say anything negative about him at all but take your concerns to the Lord in prayer and support him in prayer, I dont sense from any of the comments made by anyone above about Bill Johnson that any of you (commenters) have done this, But this is what scripture tells you to do, If you think you are spiritual then you are meant to be able to restore someone who you think is caught in a fault with a spirit of meekness thats the proof of your spirituality I dont see that in the comments made about Bill Johnson above, We need to be careful we are those who believe in the Lord one family. His mother really meant a lot to him and when he heard this bad news he cried and cried and then he prayed to God. And I will add that God will SEND His apostles, and prophets, etc.. to the people, just as He did with John the Baptist and every other man and woman of God that He has used over the centuries. After all thats what the miracles are meant to confirm. I left it that and said, Lord Thy will be done ** In whatever FORM God deems necessary for the people to BELIEVE that He exists and that He is GOOD/can be TRUSTED. Faith, maybe. We need to cry out every day to God and say Lord I want more and He loves to hear us say this. How he heals is also a choice made by each believer because many think different on this also. Sndergaard has created his own little belief system by taking a little from some different denomination,[16]for example, baptismal regeneration from the Catholics, speaking in tongues as the sign of baptism in the Holy Spirit from the Pentecostals, believers baptism as Baptists, and baptism to Jesus Christ not using the Trinitarian formula as Oneness Pentecostals. All I am doing is fulfilling a biblical duty to test the spirits by asking legitimate questions; yet no one seems to want to acknowledge that and recognize it is our duty to test the spirits. Paul had an awful time with those type of people as we can see in Gal and Rom and also the author of Hebrews. A Florida immigration judge has denied evangelist Torben Sndergaard's request for asylum. Everything about those involved will be ordinary and normal EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY WILL BE POWERFULLY PRESENT in supernatural demonstrations of miracle working power, deep heartfelt repentance and devotion to Jesus. Last week we published a video of an old friend of mine, Torben But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. He said that it would not only be one or two places, but it would be all over the country. 2000 years agp the worldly people called Yeshuas followers Christians. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` Yes, Andrew, any trickster can appear to do miracles. The worship leader sang (chanted actually) the words come, come, come over and over again. Many of those he brought with him needed healing and left that evening fully restored as people in the crowd prayed and laid hands on each of them., This thought is not original with me. Repentance doesnt end at salvation. It didnt work. Torben is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. God doesnt need your help in getting His truth out. December 26, 2022 This is the second episode of a series around the persecution of Torben Sondergaard, a Check it out Dr. Michael Brown Interviews Torben Sondergaard January 14, 2023 An interview from prison with Torben Sondergaard and his immigration lawyer Michelle C Snchez, P.A. Barry I am that lady!! Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. Here is a website for more information on what I am talking about: https://www.friendsoftorben.com/ And this video while you're at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJyr0DKyms Spread the word! To complete your salvation? In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. They have mishandled the power and things of God, and trying to be as God, and now it has become as a snake in their hands, to turn and bite them, bringing death. Do you believe that this glorifies God when you treat your brothers and sisters in such a way? Finally some very edifying and encouraging articles. Because you have pushed with side and shoulder , butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. His touch cleansed the leper, raised the dead, & restored the ear Peter had severed. What flesh can resist that over time! Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary titled God's Best Children, which lumped Sndergaard in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. that scripture which states that the Power of God was present for Jesus to heal that was how far Jesus humbled Himself He was totally God while on earth but humbled Himself to only act under the Power of the Holy Spirit giving us an example that we should follow in His steps, He (Bill Johnston) explained that very clearly in his sermon, I checked him out earlier on in the year for myself , Another correction: but was performing . Thank you Lord Jesus! GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. MIRACLES ARE A MUST! His legal team told us they have filed an administrative request for release with ICE Detention officer Alan Young, who has the power to order Torben released from custody pending his asylum trial. Torben Sondergaard: Undercover journalists & money. signs/wonders (using the gifts given us) will follow and subsequently souls saved for the Kingdom. Torben does talk to people about Jesus and would appear to be genuine in his belief. What was the PURPOSE of these MANIFESTATIONS? Jesus said heal the sick, raise the dead, open the eyes of the blind. Further, He personally commissioned them to perform these miracles. Anyone who does not agree with this is just trying to drag you backwards. 5)HIS WORD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE IN ME, (Jesus Christ is called The Word of God Rev 19:13 NASB He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.). Seems that every time the Lord does something through someone, that is when the enemy wants to come in and steal kill and destroy, that which He has done. And even the weaker among us serve a purpose in testing the character of the stronger..oh my, yes, how we treat our weaker members tells a tale, thats for sure. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 357 talking about this. That LIST of what is acceptable behavior for God is what got the Jews CUT OFF of the Vine. This is nothing but human sorcery at its worst . How will you ever recognize Jesus if you cant recognize him in these videos? Recently I was working at a ladies house and noticed she was enormously overweight and who had breathing assist aperatuses all over her house . We have all learned those past lessons of gullibility and stupidity in embracing that charismatic sorcery. She did not speak but apparently was amazed at the effect in her body. January 18, 2023 3:58 am Videos; Home. Step 2. Watch this video about the people of God revealing the glory of God and you too will do the works of Jesus: http://youtu.be/03hWzOCzZ9k. Brother Seymour asked the crowd, Would you like to see God have a wonderful time here tonight? I heard it from a preacher some years ago. Are you ready for a mass exodus from WIERDSVILLE ? Torben Sondergaard is paired with his delightful wife, Lene Sondergaard. Andthere arethreethat bear witnessinearth,the Spirit,andthe water,andthe blood:andthese threeagreeinone. Now was I healed, by the Healer, Lord Jesus (to whom I give all credit, thanks and the glory) because of the leg pulling method, or despite it..? etc, support Bob Jones. Too many of us have gone too far the other way as a result of the charismania hype and false revivals. Have a weak personal relationship with Jesus Christ, or dont have a relationship with Jesus Christ at all. Jesus fulfilled both circumcision and baptism. Jesus also gave the great commission, in Mat 28:18-20 saying All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Thank you for your comment. Last point, going back to the Pharisees, it seems to me that Jesus said that sins against the Son of Man would be forgiven but that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit wouldnt be. (Although witchcraft might be in a different category than what He was addressing there.) The Lord has put His Teachings (laws) in our hearts where we do not have to ask others but will know inherently His Will Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33-34. First, she told about the man with the wooden leg. Theres a schism in the church; those who believe Acts was for that time only, and those who believe that the empowerment that happened in Acts is for the churchs lifetime until He returns. This video and your words have brought me to tears..tears of joy, excitement, and thanksgiving to Almighty God. He told the story that immediately after he was born again, he read the scripture saying to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. He avoided being arrested in 2019. Now a woman, having a flow of blood for twelve years, who had spent all her livelihood on physicians and could not be healed by any, came from behind and touched the border of His garment. [8]Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faithwhich is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. That is a very big issue, in my view. Dont let him do it to you. The Youth and Children of Azusa Street Tell Their Stories Retold by Brother Tommy. I too have been badly wounded and burned by previous fakes and deceptions- thats no excuse for cynicism. Yes, no matter where you came in Denmark, there would be people who would ask for one and set one free Yes, I believe we are seeing the fulfilment of the word that sounded over Denmark.[35][37]. This was not the example of the early church. 2.getting water baptized(immersed) on my faith in the name of Jesus Of course not. It is necessary for the natural thinking world to see the supernatural part of God operating through us, because we are all spirit filled and supernatural beings too, and God is also a spirit. (Hebrews 9:22). Yet is happy to come on here calling Torben a trickster. A hand that miraculously turns leperous; and just as miraculously is healed. For the promise is to you and your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call. Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. You are mistaken in assuming when Jesus lengthens a mans leg that He copying the world my friend. People being raised from the dead, people who were truly lame from birth given the power to walk, people who were 100% blind being able to see, etc. happen when this is done. Agreed Andrew.avoid those who 2Tim3v5,,,,have a form of godliness but deny the power.we need miracles and healings etc .and oh how we need discerning of spirits to get delivered from the power of darkness and lazy religious demons.. Jesus hasnt changed! I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. We are also men of the same nature as you, and preach the gospel to you that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM. etc. And God really isnt interested whether you like what He is doing or not. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out and saying, Men, why are you doing these things? Not as playthings, not as things we use and do with as WE (flesh) please. We sang no actuall worship song that I ever heard of. So what does it look like when you have a whole congregation full of demons, principalities, powers, rulers of wickedness, familiar spirits, witchcraft practicioners.and then the Glory of God comes to set people free all at once? Fear THAT MAN! The Greek word: phobe is used in the NT 110 times. There is absolutely nothing wrong with testing the spirit, e.g. Seymour laid hands on the man and proclaimed, Let Thy Name be Glorified. (Psalm 34:8 NASB), What you have been through with your mother has strengthened your faith and established the hunger in you to see this established this healing this fullness of what is promised in the atonement in the world in which you live, Lift him up so that he experiences this practically himself and out of the overflow is overflowing Your Power through him to others, to everyone he comes in contact with , Love you brother, the Lord will link you into a team with others who also have this on their heart in your location wherever He takes you . Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. These are genuine brothers in Christ, myself I have no doubt of that, I love them just from the videos, and I believe they have genuine spiritual gifts. Because His glory/presence is departing (Holy Spirit is grieved). My thoughts are this, it is absolutely a wonderful thing and most important to see this taking place in the world in which we live. Thank the Lord Jesus! Luk 9:50 KJV And Jesus said unto him, FORBID HIM NOT: for he that is not against us IS FOR US. chas351.Thank you for your Jonathan Welton post. Why have we not seen this? Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. Hi Tom & Deborah But, if they claim to be a Christians, and a leader, then people will follow them. Thedude said, Youre right on that. The male, with a recorded age of 45 was arrested for suspicion of the below crimes: Bail has been set to $0 for Soendergaard which is listed as a white male. Evangelist Torben Sondergaard As a national threat for bringing firearms into the country, Torben Sondergaard was detained. You know where I think people get this idea.from watching TV evangelists. When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. I believethat the authentic move of the Spirit of Jesus to come ( actually has already begun) will be outside the church meeting or conference halls, will be very unreligious, will be very normally and authentically human in every way ( except that it will be marked by outstanding and miraculous answers to prayer) , will be accomplished by very ordinary, imperfect , unpretentious and normal people who actually dispise and disdain the relogiosity, hyper spirituality, wierd or ostentatious behaviors of the nascent promoters of WIERDSVILLE . I desire mercy not sacrifice. I am so thankful that there are faithful saints who yield to the simplicity of the gospel and have the nerve to go out and reach people in streets. It high time we all return to the child like faith and trust we had before we got burned by all that sorcery. The term witchcraft is only being applied to that which is not of God, not to that which is of God. Torben Sndergaard (1976-) is a Danish Christian evangelist, self-proclaimed apostle, and faith healer, who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. He gave specific examples of sharing the Gospel and how the power of God has manifested throughout his time in ministry," a spokesman for his legal team said. I guess I was one of those people Andrew is referring too. And so, he just did what the bible said for him to do. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in 8 suitcases. Everything was dependent on the Spirits uniting men to God through their faith. How could a man break 4 to 6 inches of hard sapphire? Watchful..I found where Paul makes that statement about FEARING for the church in Corinth. A few weeks later the man came back, bringing about 200 people with him, telling many at the meeting that he had gotten his old job back. Sndergaard's immigration trial has been set for December 13. By whose authority do you come hear and tell us that those people were not healed by Jesus? Update from Friends of Torben. It might seem like a small thing but faith is built in little steps. Let us lead people to the Lord and let them be taught to reason out with the Lord and learn from Him, as He invites them to do so in the book of Isaiah. Many have come to Christ, have been delivered, and healed of physical ailments. Aarons rod that buddedmiraculously. And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. Unfortunately, my blog has been down for a bit, and I havent had a chance to get it back up. Torben says himself at 6:44into the Speaking in Tongues video above that speaking in tongues is an amazing gift that EVERYONE should have because if you are not baptised in the Holy Spirit well according to Torben you are not saved, and that speaking in tongues is an amazing tool God has given us to come into a strong prayer life and relationship with him. To show this . If he performs miracles and preaches a false gospel of self effort religion, harsh treatment of the body , self imposed religiosity and legalism INSTEAD OF THE FAITH IN THE CROSS PLUS NOTHING THAT MAN IS A WOLF! Tragically, very few insights about his significant other are accessible on the internet. The Jews did not APPROVE of the UNACCEPTABLE AND UNEXPECTED BEHAVIOR of Jesus Christ..therefore did not RECOGNIZE nor BELIEVE WHO HE WAS and did not want Him to be their King. This has all transpired over the course of 8 weeks. Therefore, when the scripture talks about bringing GLORY to the Lord; GLORIFYING the Lord etc etc The man ran upon the platform and around the room. Which hopefully will be heeded so as to allow the Holy Spirit to make any necessary adjustments in our thinking. It could be the GLORY Face like Moses manifested. Read and KNOW the scriptures people, for the sake of the Kingdom of God and for the sake of your own selves and your families. Torben is doing what is commanded in New testimant Christianity. A new Jesus one who never calls for self denial, who is more hyper spiritual than he is authentically human. Thank you for letting the power of God be shown . Amen. And they said, To Johns baptism. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Its a little annoying in other articles when everyone is living in the future worrying about the thousand year reign and who does what during the tribulation. In 2Timothy 2 we are told that the servant of the Lord instructs but it is the Lord who will give the other person instruction. . 2) to fear, be afraid of one It is always Christ plus something else (usually new age). I have a friend who is going to Redding California to Bethel church under Bill Johnson to experience signs, wonders, and healing. I know many false things are going on there. 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